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Martin Westin's avatar

This was a very interesting read. Thanks for taking the time to explain this so carefully. I know the above is a discussion about autolysis and many of my questions have already been answered in the comments here. But, I've got three questions that at least partially relate to this that I'd be grateful if you took the time to answer.

Q1: Why does bassinage work? In my experience it makes a dough of a said hydration more elastic than a dough at the same hydration that wasn't mixed using bassinage, assuming total mixing time is the same. As I understand from above the shear flow from the mechanical mixing helps to unfold the large hydrophilic glutenin molecules so as to increase their surface area and ad/absorb more water. At a certain point in the mix, after a long slow mix and a few minutes on 2nd, the dough looks very elastic to me, balls up around the hook, and I add the remaining water. What, on the macromolecular level, happens as this extra water is added in 2nd speed?

Q2: What does it mean on the same scale level, that a dough is over-developed, rips, loses its elasticity, becomes wet and sticky? Does this have to do with water distribution between the gluten, starch, pentosans and the aqueous phase?

Q3: As we include salt from the start of the mix, rather than delaying its addition until the very end (which I've done for years), doesn't it mean it "uses" a part of the water in the aqueous phase from the start and thus leave less water for the gluten parts to ad/absorb? I've noticed doughs develop faster from the onset if salt goes in at the start, but that they also more easily get over-mixed - tear apart. Please elaborate if you have the time.

Greetings from a sourdough baker.

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Andrew Janjigian's avatar

This is great, Ian. I've done an autolyse on my doughs for years, since I was trained in part by my friend James MacGuire, who was a friend of Calvel's (and his English translator). But I've recently ditched it and haven't really noticed any negative consequences and think you are correct.

A few questions:

- Do you see any benefit to a "hydration" rest before mixing when working with high-extraction or whole grain flours, as a means to let the bran hydrate? I have found that even a short rest can result in a less shaggy dough and what seems like more efficient mixing. I suppose this might work similarly with or without the salt and/or preferments, so it could still be done in the absence of a strict autolyse.

- I've found that holding back the salt is helpful for mixing efficiency when hand mixing—it helps to let the flour hydrate evenly and avoid clumping. Even if I am not doing an autolyse, I'll often hold back the salt until I've mixed the flour and water, then immediately add it. Do you see any downsides to doing this, in terms of ultimate dough strength?

- Is saying that an autolyse compromises dough elasticity the same as saying that it *increases* extensibility? If so, that might be a reason to do it, if increasing extensibility were the goal. (This was a common refrain on pizza making forums for years, that adding a brief autolyse made dough balls more easy to stretch.)

Also: glad you are back posting here, will mention it to my readers soon.

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